Prabhupada speaks out about Siddha-Svarupa and his followers

Srila Prabhupada with Siddha-Svarupa Dāsa

I have not heard from Tusta Krsna or Siddha-Svarupa Goswamis nor do I know anything of their plans to return to New Zealand. Try to convince them to return to our Society and work cooperatively. That they have gone away is not good thing and it is a deviation from our line of parampara. Rather, avoiding faultfinding and anarchy, they should keep our standards and work maturely and not cause factions and splitting. I am not at all pleased at what they have done, but if they return let us forget what has happened and go forward.

What kind of relationship had Siddhasvarupa(Chris Butler) with Srila Prabhupada?

In this article Prabhupada reveals his face and his actions in His presence.

Sai Young “empowered” by LSD to become guru (Booklet)

In the meantime I am enclosing one circular letter to whom it may concern and I authorize you to print them profusely and distribute to the public so that the misunderstanding created by Sai may be dissipated. Please keep me informed of your activities and I shall be glad to receive my maintenance charges regularly.

I think I have written one letter to Sri Sai. Was it delivered to him? Now you are in good terms with the boy? Thank you once more for your letter. I hope this will meet you in good health by Krishna’s Grace. I hope Govinda Dasi is also keeping good health now. 

Your ever well-wisher
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami 

Laguna Beach

My dear Siddha Svarupananda, 

Please accept my blessings. Just now I am in receipt of some pamphlets and one booklet entitled “Sai Speaks”, so I see so many discrepancies from our line of action in devotional service. I do not know if you are again acting upon your old principles on the guise of becoming a Sannyasi from our disciplic succession. This cannot be allowed. If you are sincere to our line of action, please come here to Los Angeles and live with me for some time. If not, then you can disclose your mind frankly what you want to do. I cannot allow you to do all these things which are completely detrimental to our line of disciplic succession. 

I shall be glad if you come here to stay with me, so I shall expect your reply one way or the other. Meanwhile hoping this will meet you in good health. 

Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami 


His “Sai Speaks”-Booklet reveals that he was a hippie free love-guru in the 60s

He is not a pure devotee

“Regarding Siddhasvarupananda, these things which you have heard are simply rumor and there is no substance. Siddhasvarupa does not want to take disciples, neither he should have disciples while I am alive. That is the process. I have never said that Siddhasvarupa is a pure devotee.* That is simply concoction. Now I am going to India in few weeks and I shall stop at Hawaii and take Siddhasvarupananda to India for training him up properly. 

Hoping this meets you in good health, 

Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami 

*But every one can become a pure devotee if he has no other desire than to serve Krsna and the Spiritual Master.”

But Siddha Svarupa thinks different, he even declared his old karmi wife (Wai Lana) to be holy and have to be worshiped.

Plastic surgery can do wonders, seniors! (As one can see in Wai Lana’s face)

Prabhupada named him a criminal

My dear Babhru,

Please accept my blessings. I am in receipt of your letter dated December 8th along with the $20.00 Guru daksina. 

It is a fact that at this time I do not want to open any further Centers. It is a question of timing. We have initiated so many projects and Centers and practically we are short handed all over the world, so it is better at this time if we work to maintain and develop whatever we have. 

That Gaurasundara and Siddha-svarupa have sold the Temple in Hawaii and abandoned the beautiful Tulasi plants there is a great fall down on their parts. They did not ask my permission. If they wanted to go away they could have, but they had no right to sell the Temple. It is actually a criminal act on their part. Anyone who follows them will also fall down without a doubt. 

Now, we have by Krsna’s Grace built up something significant in the shape of this ISKCON and we are all one family. Sometimes there may be disagreement and quarrel but we should not go away. These inebrieties can be adjusted by the cooperative spirit, tolerance and maturity so I request you to kindly remain in the association of our devotees and work together. The test of our actual dedication and sincerity to serve the Spiritual Master will be in this mutual cooperative spirit to push on this Movement and not make factions and deviate. Try to convince Gaurasundara and Siddha-svarupa to return to ISKCON and let us forget whatever has happened in the past. 

Yes, you may return to Hawaii with Sudama Maharaja and take charge of caring for Tulasi devi there. I cannot understand how Govinda dasi could abandon Tulasi devi. Kindly try to induce her to return. 

I hope this meets you well. 

Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami.


My dear Balabhadra Prabhu, 

Please accept my blessings. I understand from Sudama Goswami that Gaurasundara has handed over to you some portion of the proceeds from the sale of the Temple there. I do not know why he has sold the Temple without my permission. He had no right to do such a thing. I request that you kindly send whatever money he has given you directly to me in Los Angeles by registered post. The old Temple BBT and Spiritual Sky debts may be cleared with it first and the rest should be sent directly to myself. We require huge sums of money for our Temple projects in Vrindaban and Mayapur so we have good use for it. 

Gaurasundara and Siddha-svarupa have almost fallen down. Do not join them. Stay in the association of our Temple and work according to established programs as I have already directed. 

I hope this meets you well. 

Your ever well wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami 

c.c. Sudama Goswami

My dear Beharilal,

Please accept my blessings. I am in receipt of your letter dated November 8, 1973 just now received by me as it was redirected from India. 

I have not received any reply from Tusta Krsna Swami to my letters. I do not know why he has left New Zealand. In Hawaii a great wrong doing has been done by Gaurasundara and Siddha-svarupa. They sold the temple and went away with all the money without taking any permission from me. It is a fall down on their parts. They have done the wrong thing. You should not go to Hawaii to join them. Stay in New Zealand and work cooperatively with Madhudvisa Swami. The “communal form of Krsna Consciousness” which you mention is not approved by me. It is all concoction. My Guru Maharaja condemned this practice. We must stay together and vigorously preach the Krsna Consciousness philosophy to the world. That is the real spirit of Lord Caitanya’s Movement. Do not fall victim to this sentimental idea of peaceful life in seclusion. That is not our dharma.
I hope this meets you well. 

Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

Prabhupāda: But the thing is, Siddha-svarūpa, how he can interpret that he reads my book and he gives up my company? Is it very good interpretation? 

Sañjaya: I never knew he gave up your company. 

Prabhupāda: Yes. 

Sañjaya: I thought he was still your devotee. 

Prabhupāda: No. They have given me up, you see. Of course, Siddha-svarūpa, I do not know. He is not so fool. But these people, they are in Hawaii—Gaurasundara, and this Sudāmā Vipra—they do not come to see me. What I’ve done? Eh? Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. When you have accepted somebody as a spiritual master… If you have given up spiritual master, that is a different thing. But if you accept somebody as spiritual master, you must come and offer your obeisances and respect. That is the first principle. They did not come to me. I remained there how many days? 

Satsvarūpa: Two weeks. 

Prabhupāda: Two weeks. I called them also, immediately. What Gaurasundara said? That I can come to him? Like that. 

Satsvarūpa: They wanted you to visit their place. 

Prabhupāda: You see? 

Sañjaya: Maybe they have something nice for you, Śrīla Prabhupāda. 

Prabhupāda: Ah? 

Sañjaya: Maybe they have something nice for you. 

Prabhupāda: Something? 

Sañjaya: Something nice, on their property, or their place, for you. 

Prabhupāda: Oh. So something nice, therefore you can call your spiritual master, “Come here,” as you call your dog? Is that very good sign? 

Sañjaya: No, it is not good sign. 

Prabhupāda: Anyone who will manufacture his own way of devotion, he is a rascal. It is not possible. 

Sañjaya: So they are manufacturing their own way of devotion now? 

Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Their keeping long hairs, karmi? Yes. And what do they say? “There is no need of living in the temple. There is…” What is the… Just like you also said like that: “There is no need of living in the temple.” What did he say? “It is better to live in the railway station”?

They don’t like book distribution

Prabhupāda: Yes. They said that my movement is…, I am priest. Because I worship Kṛṣṇa in the temple. In other words, I am not a philosopher; I am a priest. [looking at surfboard] What it is made of, this surfer?

Sudāmā: It’s made of Styrofoam. It’s a plastic material that’s very light and floats on the water. And then different polishing plastics. 

Prabhupāda: So it is a costly thing. 

Sudāmā: They cost about close to a hundred dollars. 

Prabhupāda: Oh. 

Bali-mardana: Gaurasundara and Siddha-svarūpa, they were encouraging the devotees to go and fly on them. 

Sudāmā: Many of them have them, have these boards. 

Prabhupāda: Eh? 

Sudāmā: Many of them have such boards. 

Bali-mardana: Instead of book distribution, they go in the ocean. [break] Is it a good idea for them to go to Māyāpur and chant?

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. 

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He’s says he’s trying to increase the book distribution by arranging a big door-to-door program. 

Prabhupāda: That is my earnest desire. Fulfill it. 

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That’s all he has to say. That was all the mail that came. 

Prabhupāda: You can send him some old newsletter with a note that “How your other Godbrothers are doing. Compete with them in this line.” 

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. 

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Simply fighting, what gift? Fighting between brother and brother, that is going on perpetually, but do something for the father. By right I’ll take[?]. 

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. Satsvarūpa’s… Rāmeśvara sent an article, that one of Siddha’s papers, they published an article which was against the devotees. 

Prabhupāda: Who? 

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Siddha-svarūpa’s. 

Prabhupāda: Oh

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It was against the devotees’ book distribution tactics. So… 

Prabhupāda: So you can send them: “This is not good.” Let him know. 

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So Satsvarūpa wrote a letter to the editor of the newspaper—it’s a newspaper which is put out by Siddha’s people—saying that “This is not at all proper. You should not…” He gave so many śāstric references why it is not good. 

Prabhupāda: It will be corrected. 

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What, Prabhupāda? 

Prabhupāda: It will be corrected.

Siddhaswarupa in his clean sterile environment (germophobia)

Using their own literature for their propaganda

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Na dhanaṁ na janaṁ na sundarīm [Cc. Antya 20.29, Śikṣāṣṭaka 4]. He’s looking for some following.

Prabhupāda: That’s all. 

Gurukṛpā: He cannot hit the heart. 

Prabhupāda: He was begging, “Give me. Give me transportion check.” Who is the rascal that he’ll give him transportation check? What he is? But he is such a fool, he’s begging, “Give me transportation check.” Why they’ll give you? Then what benefit they’ll derive? But he has no common sense to think. 

Gurukṛpā: That is what I think this disease is with the Siddha’s group. They are looking for followers, and they do not preach in your style because they would not attract people. 

Prabhupāda: Śrīdhara’s group? 

Gurukṛpā: Yes. 

Prabhupāda: Śrīdhara Svāmī? 

Gurukṛpā: No, Siddha-svarūpa. 

Prabhupāda: Oh, Siddha-svarūpa, oh. 

Gurukṛpā: They are after followers, and they do not speak strongly, for then people would go away. 

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: In one sense it’s also confirmed by Rūpa Gosvāmī, yena tena prakāreṇa manaḥ kṛṣṇe niveśayet, sarve vidhi-niṣedhā syur… [Brs. 1.2.4]. 

Prabhupāda: Eh? 

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: That “First of all help people to think of Kṛṣṇa, and then later on, the rules and regulations…” 

Gurukṛpā: But we follow in the footsteps… Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. We must follow what the spiritual master is doing. We cannot create our own way. Then we will not be successful. 

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: No, that’s true, but… 

Gurukṛpā: That is their idea. They have created their own way to spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 

Prabhupāda: Yes, that idea is there. They are thinking of their own way. That is bad. We have got so much…, so many literatures. They are printing their own literature and… That is disturbing, yes. What he’ll prepare? He’s not a liberated person. He’s thinking, somebody said, that “I’ll give my interpretation on Bhāgavata.” If these things are going, they are… It is against our principles. [break] 

Gurukṛpā: You know how to spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness; therefore I follow. I don’t even know what Kṛṣṇa is. I’m just trying to follow. Therefore that will be successful. 

Prabhupāda: That is my preaching. What Kṛṣṇa said, you say as it is. Don’t change. How you can give interpretation? And if he thinks that he can give another interpretation, what is this nonsense? Then he’s not following guru or Kṛṣṇa, both. Guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya [Cc. Madhya 19.151]. One has to receive the mercy of guru and Kṛṣṇa. Through guru, Kṛṣṇa’s mercy.

He is called now “Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa” by his followers

Hanumān: …and they had some temples there in Rio de Janeiro and San Pablo, and they were followers of Gaurasundara and Siddha-svarūpa. And I think they’re still there. And when I was there they were making kīrtana, and they were chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. In the middle of their kīrtana, they would stop their kīrtana, and they would chant “Jaya jaya Siddha-svarūpa,” and “Jaya jaya Gaurasundara.” So I could not do anything. I told them it was all wrong and everything, and, uh… But there is many, many innocent people who are following. They go there for the first time and they make them chant “Jaya jaya Siddha-svarūpa” and “Jaya jaya Gaurasundara,” like this. So we were telling, we were talking with… 

Prabhupāda: There is no harm in giving “jaya” to Vaiṣṇava, provided they follow the Vaiṣṇava principles. Otherwise, to glorify Vaiṣṇava is not bad. [pause] No, no “jaya” to Mahāprabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, they chant this? 

Satsvarūpa: Were they chanting “Jaya Lord Caitanya, Nityānanda Prabhu”? 

Hanumān: Yes, they also chanting “Bhaja śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya.” Yes. But the point is that they were chanting the name of Siddha-svarūpa Gosvāmī and Gaurasundara Gosvāmī, uh, Gaurasundara Adhikārī. 

Prabhupāda: If one is Vaiṣṇava, then to glorify him is…, that’s not… 

Hanumān: So that’s all right. 

Satsvarūpa: As long as that Vaiṣṇava is following the principles. 

Prabhupāda: But they should not attempt like that in the presence of their spiritual master. That is not good. When you found this? 

Satsvarūpa: When did you find they were doing this? 

Hanumān: When I was there. I was in Brazil about three months ago. And the only books they had published is a book written by Siddha-svarūpa Gosvāmī. They had published one book of him, and they were distributing this. 

Prabhupāda: What is the name of that book? 

Hanumān: It was an introduction to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, question and answer. 

Prabhupāda: You have seen that book? 

Hanumān: Yes, Prabhupāda. I have give to Karandhara. 

Prabhupāda: So is there anything awkward against our devotional life? 

Karandhara: I can’t read it. It’s in Portuguese. 

Prabhupāda: Oh, it was in Portuguese language. 

Hanumān: Yes, it’s in Portuguese. The only…, the only point is that he quotes in this book, he quotes more the books of Gaurasundara than your books

Prabhupāda: Eh? 

Hanumān: Gaurasundara have written some books, and so Siddha-svarūpa, answering the question, quotes from the book of Gaurasundara, and he mentioned, “My professor, Gaurasundara, taught me,” and he quotes many, many time. Practically more from the book of Gaurasundara than from your books. [end]

2 thoughts on “Prabhupada speaks out about Siddha-Svarupa and his followers

  1. ISKCON new age GBC elected-in gurus support Tulasi Gabbard’s by posing with her at New York Rathayatra for publicity also letting her and her husband lead kirtan on stage. Propaganda helping ISKCON gain more Hindus and new age followers by supporting her.

  2. Why would anybody be so concerned about talking about other Devotees of Krishna and criticising them instead of focusing on their relationship with Krishna?
    I am sure to make this website required a lot of time and effort which could be used for pleasing Krishna in much better ways,
    I feel only sorry for the person who has such an empty and bitter heart…
    To take some words from the mouth of a Pure Devotee of Krishna and manipulate them (without never knowing the real deep relationship and connection between Srila Prabhupada and His disciple, as we can’t know what is in people’s hearts, can we?) is a show or real lack of intelligence and a full arrogance.
    Where is Krishna here and the desire to please Him? Where is Srila Prabhupada and His teachings here?
    Such a waste of time…

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