Rāmeśvara: You have already defined violence as “Anything which does not save a man from repeated birth and death, that is violence.”
Prabhupāda: Yes. Violence, I take it in this way, that you have got right to possess this. If I do not allow you to possess, that is violent. Somehow or other, I check it, and that is violence.
Hari-śauri: Yes. We have a natural right to understand God.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. There is natural right, and they are checking. That is violence. To check one from his rightful position is violence. That is called hiṁsā, that… Kṛṣṇa therefore says, amānitvam adambhitvam ahiṁsā (BG 13.8). You should not check anybody from his natural advancement, his spiritual life. That is ahiṁsā.
If u didn’t read Part 1, u should read it first for gaining some essential facts:
In Part 2 we will look at the status quo and what happened since last year.
Let’s look now what our Insider has to tell now about the Bangalore’s status quo:
“Our rivik Bangalore group is catering to the Hindus only.
MPD and his brother-in-law building food factories next to their temples, bringing in millions in donations feeding school kids,
allowing their private trusts to continue building opulent skyscraper temples/ theme parks along with luxury apartments for the wealthy, calling it “Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON”.
Where are the foreigners?
They told me never to call them for anything, not to associate or do service with them.
MD is quite heavy using his peons to speak to me that I am not wanted.
You be surprise how many of his Indian devotees leave or kicked out by MPD.
How do I know?
Seen or hear about them at the other ISKCON temples getting re-initiated by an ISKCON guru,
many spending over 10-20 years with MPD.
Something is very wrong with this picture…
MPD is not training-up his men right
instead burning them out collecting money for his projects for name power and glory.
I’m a fallen insignificant bug compared to these high birth educated brahmins, they are serious Indians going ritvik but lacking common sense and staying in the body consciousness
(we r better than you attitude).
especially with us that had to leave ISKCON and forced to go our old ways.
Your NOT welcome to associate with them if your in a western body
unless your one of his friends that thinks he is amazing.
If any Prabhupadanugas supports MPD, they must be nuts or using MPD to promote their ideas.
MPD is one very racist man that I had every experienced
& I use to distribute books down in Mississippi Southern USA where they hate the black skin people.
Now I know how a black skinned man feels walking unto a bus full of white supremacy folks,
try walking into any of MPD temples and ask for service, same feeling.
Oh…one German devotee stayed over 6 months and he was offered a salaried job, that is how far you will get, he said no thanks and went to Nepal.”
(For references check part 1 of the article)
“There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaishnavas in this Krishna Consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. A false acharya may try to override a Vaishnava by a high-court decision, (2/3 hand vote) but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga.”
Leaders who have fallen into ignorance and who mislead people by directing them to the path of destruction [as described in the previous verse] are, in effect, boarding a stone boat, and so too are those who blindly follow them. A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them.
(Srimad Bhagavatam, Purport, 6.7.14)
Now to the good news
Hare Krishna Society has removed HKM, Bangalore temples from their website:
Click and look on “Associated Centers” and u will see no Temples from them anymore listed!
This happened immediately after Haripada Prabhu wrote an email to Hare Krishna Society. They didn’t replied
Yet so far we have no official statement of the HKS Headquarters regarding this issue.
Here a excerpt from an email I received now:
“Most devotees are struggling to maintain their spiritual life all alone– or in the orbit of iskcon. Many are not supportive on iskcon leadership but try to remain in good-standing with them—just to keep in association with devotees. They see no alternative for association anywhere else. Some adventurous souls like Rathayatra have moved to India to get needed sadhu-sanga via Bangalore iskcon, but the iskcon Bangalore policy is to ban all “foreigner” devotees and appeal to the nationalistic, bodily sentiments of the general public in South India –for the sake of money collection, temple construction, and social prestige.
In my opinion, it may be futile to go on chasing iskcon leaders. They will never change due to their severe offenses. At best, we can rescue a few good devotees from their chaos, but even this Srila Prabhupada never tried to do with regard to the Gauidya Math. In fact, when Indian GM devotees came to join ISKCON, they were especially tested to see if they were really sincere. Srila Prabhupada preferred disciples who had never been in any kind of poisonous association. Indians in general were looked at carefully due to the rampant association that most Indians have had with mayavadis, impersonalists, sahajiyas and all manner of pseudo-spiritualists.
I have heard from reliable sources that some senior devotees have been leaving the Bang. camp. Some have even gone to iskcon. Also, we may expect that the widespread poison videos and solid evidence may cause many iskcon devotees in Europe and around the world to leave the maya-iskcon camp.”
(“Restoring the original ISKCON” by Narasimha Dāsa)
Now released as an article on this site:
Already last November the Bangalore group was exposed by one member of the Hare Krishna Society namely from Damoghosa Prabhu, see for more here:
Concluding with the words of the Hare Krsna Society member Vidura Mahatma Prabhu:
“It’s important that devotees be able to discuss these issues openly and open-mindedly. We should always write or express the convictions we feel that are true to Srila Prabhupada’s teachings. This should be encouraged.
Vidura Mahatma das”
Prabhupāda: Yes. All Western adventure to keep people in darkness. And that is going on. Now it will be smashed by the next war. Next war will come very soon.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: (Surprised) Oh!
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Next war…?
Prabhupāda: Your country, America, is very much eager to kill these Communists. And the Communists are also very eager. So very soon there will be war. And perhaps India will be the greatest sufferer.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Greatest…?
Prabhupāda: Because America is aiming to start the war from India.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Because India and Russia, they are…
Brahmānanda: They are… Friendship.
Prabhupāda: No. Side by side. If the war is started from India…